we're in the fifth year of a recovery now. touf have context. if you take the one-time revenue windfall within the two-thirds budget you're running at 800 billion. that's 5% of g.d.p. no one's abolished the business cycle. sooner or later down the road there's going to be -- >> even if we get to 300 billion we're going to turn around and go the other way? >> that's what the cbo projections show. they assume that we get to full employment in 2017 and stay there until eternity. if you have a more realistic, non-rosy scenario, the deficit gos back above $1 trillion. yet this increases the deficit and pretends they're going to offset it. >> who is being more stockman responsible, democrats or republicans? >> i think i would give a low grade to both sides. >> but which one is doing a better job? >> the lowest grade to the republicans to ryan. i think he's proving once again that he is a fiscal fake. it's his job to stand up and tell the truth. and when he says we can raise spending for defense back to the pre-sequester level or for domestic, that is